Curse

Loviatar · Dec 11, 2007, 05:41 PM // 17:41

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Originally Posted by zamial

Well,
We just finished doing exactly what you are complaining about. I ran my Girl friend's level 10 warrior from yaks bend to LA. Then we did the quest to get to EotN. We then fought to the umbral grotto and I helped her GRIND to level 5 dwarven. Then we ran into the battle depths, did the mission on my char that has done it before, poof she is in the central transfer chamber and is now sporting female silver eagle ELITE armor. (Which is also displayed in her HoM.) She has never beat any campaign on that character, is now level 20, missing all her bonus attributes and is a better tank than most in pugs. I even gave her max green weapons and shields. I don't even think she has capped an elite skill yet on that character. BTW this all took 2, 8 hour sessions with a lil bit of finishing up.

She still has not finished any campaign, but will some day, on her warrior.

FYI she tanked the end destroyer boss in the battle depths in armor from ascalon, still feel leet and special about your level 20 content?

NOW THE BIGGEST MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION OF ALL
did you have fun (its a game you know) doing it?

Loviatar · Dec 11, 2007, 05:50 PM // 17:50

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

I accept its not an MMO it an original sense, but please dont start the "its not an MMO there for it doesnt matter about level" arguement unless you can back it up.

Either way, even if its an RPG that still DOES mean level is important? the point of an RPG is to create and develop a character through activities!

since you started over 2 years ago as if that means anything

i started well over 3 years ago in early beta again so what.
backed up again

here is the even before GW came out statement which i will remind you of when you keep preaching on the glories of level

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Guild Wars, in contrast, is based around your skill as a player. Our maximum level is twenty, and you hit that very quickly, after about 20-30 hours of play. We call that 'The Point of Ascension'. Almost all of the content in the game and in the future Chapters is only available to Ascended characters, which means we don't have to worry about providing different levels of content. All the good stuff will be available to everyone. It's not our intent to force people onto the levelling up treadmill, so the level cap in Guild Wars is almost meaningless.

Malice Black · Dec 11, 2007, 06:01 PM // 18:01

Level 10's in EoTN don't effect anyones gameplay, so all this bitching is pointless.

Put away your handbags, kiss and then stfu.

Jebus · Dec 11, 2007, 06:04 PM // 18:04

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Level 10's in EoTN don't effect anyones gameplay, so all this bitching is pointless.

Put away your handbags, kiss and then stfu.

/thread

12chars

Mordakai · Dec 11, 2007, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

That is a great thing, no denying it!

Then WTF are you arguing about?

Malice Black · Dec 11, 2007, 06:21 PM // 18:21

lol he makes thread just to make threads.

I'm waiting for the online petition to arrive.

Onarik Amrak · Dec 11, 2007, 06:23 PM // 18:23

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

lol he makes thread just to make threads.

I'm waiting for the online petition to arrive.

POLL: Allow lvl2 characters into GW:EN!

zamial · Dec 11, 2007, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

NOW THE BIGGEST MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION OF ALL
did you have fun (its a game you know) doing it?

Yes, it was fun. Also my girl friend has a blast playing her warrior now. I have never to date been bored in game and do not even mind a lil farm/grind. This game offers so much to do for no monthly fee it isn't even funny.

I have also found that if you really like the way you character looks w/ equipment, you will have more fun and like the character more.

Bryant Again · Dec 11, 2007, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by zamial

I have also found that if you really like the way you character looks w/ equipment, you will have more fun and like the character more.

Doesn't go for everyone, though. A lot of people like holding a really rare weapon in their hands, regardless of looks. Me? I love the way FoW armor looks, nice and fitting on the arms and legs. Favorite weapon? That's right, the all-newbie Fiery Dragon Sword. You won't ever see me using something different.

Saraphim · Dec 11, 2007, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

lol he makes thread just to make threads.

I'm waiting for the online petition to arrive.

Actually, now you mention it....

I'd appreciate it if Anet could move the Asura Gate out of Kaineng and onto Shing Jea Island. If Tyrians and Elonians can warp from a low level area where's the love for my male rit ???? I've still got to go through all the missions to get him off the island.

bah ...

Stolen Souls · Dec 11, 2007, 07:01 PM // 19:01

/petition to start at level 20, since level "doesn't matter in this game" ^_^

freekedoutfish · Dec 11, 2007, 07:49 PM // 19:49

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Then WTF are you arguing about?

I was agreeing to it being a good marketting scheme, not to it being a good idea for the actual game itself. Read things before you quote me.

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

since you started over 2 years ago as if that means anything

i started well over 3 years ago in early beta again so what.
backed up again

here is the even before GW came out statement which i will remind you of when you keep preaching on the glories of level

It was just a statement and how does your fancy quote prove guild wars isnt an MMO?

EinherjarMx · Dec 11, 2007, 08:08 PM // 20:08

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

It was just a statement and how does your fancy quote prove guild wars isnt an MMO?

the "fancy quote" proves that you are just dumb because we've been telling you that this game is not 100% about char development, thats why there's a low lvl cap.

you keep saying that player lvl = skill, i've seen lvl 20 wammos (and idiots who say savannah heat works great even at 60% dp) that suck badly, and lvl 10 warriors that play better than average

oh and btw here's your lvl 50 raptor nestling
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Raptor_Nestling <--- do i read lvl 15? ohshi, wtf? I DEMAEND LEET ENEMIES FOR ME TO PWN!!!!! GWEN IS LEET FOR LEET PLAYERS ONLY!! I FEEL INSULTED

/ragequit

edit: http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Charr_Invaders <---- i'm so going to sue anet for those lvl 8 charrs

freekedoutfish · Dec 11, 2007, 08:16 PM // 20:16

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Originally Posted by EinherjarMx

the "fancy quote" proves that you are just dumb because we've been telling you that this game is not 100% about char development, thats why there's a low lvl cap.

you keep saying that player lvl = skill, i've seen lvl 20 wammos (and idiots who say savannah heat works great even at 60% dp) that suck badly, and lvl 10 warriors that play better than average

oh and btw here's your lvl 50 raptor nestling
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Raptor_Nestling <--- do i read lvl 15? ohshi, wtf? I DEMAEND LEET ENEMIES FOR ME TO PWN!!!!! GWEN IS LEET FOR LEET PLAYERS ONLY!! I FEEL INSULTED

/ragequit

FFS I am not saying level = skill and get that into your head. Im saying you learn experience and skill while you level up, as you kill lower level creatures and move onto stronger ones. Level is not important, but it does have a purpose ingame.

When did I ever make a comment about the level cap?

To allow people to enter GWEN at lvl10-19 is fine, but to allow them a buff to increase their abilities when they enter GWEN bellow lvl20 is wrong. Its basically cheating.

If a player is truly skilled at lvl10 then why do they need that buff when they enter GWEN?

If they are not skilled enough to handle GWEN at lvl10 then they should go away, gain some more experience and skill and come back when they can handle it. Not just enter GWEN at lvl10 and have their attributes increase with no good reason. That is what im saying, not that lvl=skill.

Level is not the be-all and end-all of a character, but it is an aspect and it does mean something. Its a sign of the time you've spent ingame and the experience you've gained while doing that. A player at lvl10 cant possible have played long enough (assuming their new) to understand how to handle GWEN effectively, so why do you deserve a buff?

Yes some players at lvl10 will have played before and have experience... so why do experienced players need the buff? They dont!

Its the experience which is important and the skills you learn as you go which make levels relivant.

I also asked the question why people think this game is not an MMO and that is why I asked how that quote proves it isnt?

Stolen Souls · Dec 11, 2007, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

To allow people to enter GWEN at lvl10-19 is fine, but to allow them a buff to increase their abilities when they enter GWEN bellow lvl20 is wrong. Its basically cheating.

You have to remember that most people just skim the thread without actually reading it, then reply based on how it seems things are going, without comprehending what you actually mean. :/

Going to GW:EN at level 10 = fine. Teh Superbuff = not.

Bryant Again · Dec 11, 2007, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

To allow people to enter GWEN at lvl10-19 is fine, but to allow them a buff to increase their abilities when they enter GWEN bellow lvl20 is wrong. Its basically cheating.

The faster ANet can get their product sold, the better.

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

If a player is truly skilled at lvl10 then why do they need that buff when they enter GWEN?

Because the skill is in how the build and the like are set up. If your build, character setup/gear, or attributes are sucky and/or inefficent, you won't do well no matter how long you've been playing. Player skill matters a bit, but it won't save you.

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Level is not the be-all and end-all of a character, but it is an aspect and it does mean something. Its a sign of the time you've spent ingame and the experience you've gained while doing that.

I played my warrior for about 4 months at level 20 with Mending and Orison still on my bar.

i.e. Yes the level cap means something, but that "something" is incredibly insignificant.

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

I also asked the question why people think this game is not an MMO and that is why I asked how that quote proves it isnt?

Well for one, Loviatar didn't set out to prove in that instance that "Guild Wars is not an MMO." But since what he quoted said "we don't want levels to mean anything," and since leveling up in MMOs *means* something, then I think one should be able to put two and two together there.

Not to mention that Guild Wars is not an MMO because it has little to nothing that MMO players want.

Mordakai · Dec 11, 2007, 08:35 PM // 20:35

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

I was agreeing to it being a good marketting scheme, not to it being a good idea for the actual game itself. Read things before you quote me.

How can you say it's a good idea for Anet, but not good for Guild Wars?

If it's good for Anet, it's good for the game. After all, without Anet, there would be no Guild Wars to bitch about.

I still don't see why it's bad for the game:

So level 10's get to experience "high level" content a bit early. Again, how does this hurt you? How does it hurt the game?

There are plenty of Level 20 players who are "bad", and plenty of level 10 players who are "good": Level is not a good indicator of skill.

Aerian_Skybane · Dec 11, 2007, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by beanerman_99

THIS.

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WTF lol?

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Saraphim · Dec 11, 2007, 09:34 PM // 21:34

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Originally Posted by FreekedoutFish

Its a sign of the time you've spent ingame and the experience you've gained while doing that.

Bull. So you're saying that my level 7 monk is a sign of the time I've spent ingame and the experience I've gained while doing it. Again I repeat - bull. I've got 8 lvl 20 characters, a few of which have beaten 2 campaigns and my ele has been everywhere in all three + EotN. Does that make me good at the game... ? Nope, not at all but neither does my lvl 7 monk mean I'm crap at it or inexperienced.

One of the most frantic missions in all three campaigns (that's not elite) is the very first mission players do after hitting the mainland in Cantha, quite often before they hit lvl 20.

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A player at lvl10 cant possible have played long enough (assuming their new) to understand how to handle GWEN effectively, so why do you deserve a buff?

Making one mighty assumption there aren't you? Unless you grill every player whether they're lvl 10 or lvl 20 you're never going to know their skill level.

As to the buff, meh I don't care. Let people play the game the way they want to and I'll do the same. H/H never complain or ragequit.

Dougal Kronik · Dec 11, 2007, 09:34 PM // 21:34

Doesn't really bother me, so let them in.